Hill East Residents Vent About Open Air Drug Market & Gunfight at 17th and Independence

Chief Cathy Lanier addresses the Hill East community last night at St. Coletta's

Chief Cathy Lanier addresses the Hill East community last night at St. Coletta’s

As does Council Member Charles Allen

As does Council Member Charles Allen

Some 50 community members turn out to talk about crime in Hill East

Some 50 community members turn out to talk about crime in Hill East.  Organizer ANC6B commissioner Denise Krepp and Chief Lanier are standing, far right.

Hill East Residents Vent About Open Air Drug Market & Gunfight at 17th and Independence

MPD Chief Lanier Promises Action

by Larry Janezich

Wednesday night, some 50 Hill East residents, called together by ANC6B Commissioner Denise Krepp, met yet again at St. Coletta of Greater Washington to talk about crime.  Present last night were MPD Chief of Police Cathy Lanier, top brass from MPD District 1, Doug Klein from the US Attorney’s office, Santha Sonenberg from the DC Attorney General’s office, Council Member Charles Allen, and ANC Commissioners Krepp, Kirsten Oldenburg, Chander Jayaraman, Daniel Chao, Daniel Ridge, Nick Burger, and Calvin Ward.

The overwhelming concern of those attending was what residents called an open air drug market at 17th and Independence, the scene of a semi-automatic gunfight early last Sunday morning between a group of young men hanging out at the intersection and another group of young males in a car which stopped at the scene.  A witness’s verbal description indicated that as many as 20 to 30 shots could have been exchanged.  One minor injury to a female bystander was reported along with considerable property damage.

Residents living nearby related their on-going experiences with those who they say are selling drugs on the corner but who live outside the District.  It is these visitors residents blame for the series of violent incidents that have occurred at the intersection and they want to know why police can’t prevent people from hanging out on the block.  One resident said the police are taking the problem too lightly.

Chief Lanier denied police are taking the issue lightly, and says that MPD faces a Constitutional rights hurdle prohibiting police from requiring those who loiter at the intersection to move elsewhere.  She said that some individuals had been arrested multiple times and that efforts of plain clothes officers against the alleged drug dealers would continue.  “I will make sure our team takes action,” Lanier said, “we know who the players are.”

Lanier believes that that we need to take a look at the criminal justice system.  She told residents that 50 of the most violent repeat offenders who are on the street today in DC have a total of 857 arrests among them.  Some 35 of the 50 are out serving part of their sentences in the community.

Krepp asked, “Why aren’t they in jail?’

Lanier responded, “You’re asking the wrong person.  My cops ask me that every day and I’ve got to get them out and on the streets.”

Residents near the intersection expressed their frustration.  One property owner who said she had lived in the neighborhood for forty years criticized the police for the way they “engage” the drug dealers, alleging that on the night of the recent shooting, police spent two hours talking to those hanging out at the corner “like they were friends” before being called away to another incident.  The shooting last weekend, she said, happened after police left.

The same longtime resident added, “They don’t respect your officers.  People are out there drinking alcohol.  I’m sorry [the police] are not doing their jobs.  I believe the officers are scared of them because they have bigger guns than the police.  None of them live on the block.  I lived there 40 years.  I grew up there and I know them.”

Another resident told police that the drug market used to be low-key and tolerable.  “Now, there are shots fired every six months.  The only thing preventing a homicide is peoples’ bad aim.  We need to focus on a long term strategy that will make clear that drugs can’t be sold with impunity on the corner.”

A third resident said that there were “so many shots [Saturday night] that I can’t believe it wasn’t a semi-automatic weapon.  It’s terrifying being awakened by gunshots – is scared the shit out of me.”

Krepp asked officials, “How do we get kids who don’t live there out?’  It turns out that there is not only no easy answer, there is no answer at all.

First District Commander Contee: “That’s the challenge.”

Chief Lanier:  We can’t tell people they can’t hang out on the block.”

Klein – “Unfortunately, there are no anti-loitering laws – they’re unconstitutional.  Police can make arrests, but they have to be there when a crime is committed.”

Krepp suggested a crime summit to bring together all city agencies to consider ways to address the problem and asked CM Allen what he thought.  Allen said that a community meeting would not solve the problem, that much of the problem was caused by the courts, and the courts had no accountability.  He suggested exploring ways to empower the community to be proactive in addressing crime issues.

Lanier says that the justice system is broken, and that before being proactive an analysis is needed to identify problems so they can be fixed.  She suggested that the first steps have been taken in the collection of data by the Mayor’s Criminal Justice Coordination Council.

Lanier’s first priority seems to be guns and getting them off the streets.  She talks about having to tell her officers who have taken guns off the streets to go back and “do it again, and do it again, and do it again” from the same people who are on the streets with new guns.  “There were 23 homicides last year by people with previous convictions for homicides who were out on the street,” she added.

Deputy US Attorney Doug Klein said that despite questions being raised about prosecution rates, the Department of Justice is processing the 350 cases it gets on a weekly basis “month after month,” and prosecuting those cases it thinks are winnable.

It may well be that the imminent opening of a 24 hour 7-11 convenience store at 15th and Independence – two blocks west – will solve the problem for the residents at 17th and Independence.  The outlet will offer food and drink 24/7, a natural hangout location, and a drive-through alley behind the store.  If not solved, the problem may be displaced, creating problems for a different set of neighbors.


To Lanier’s larger point, nothing illustrates more clearly that the criminal justice system is broken than the incarceration rate for the United States compared with other countries. According to the BBC half of the world’s prison population of about nine million is held in the US, China or Russia.

According to the Institute for Prison Policy Research, prison rates in the US are the world’s highest, at 724 people per 100,000.  In Russia the rate is 581.  Stats for the top ten incarcerating countries are as follows:

1             United States of America               2 217 947

2             China                                                  1 649 804

3             Russian Federation                          651 360

4             Brazil                                                  622 202

5             India                                                   418 536

6             Thailand                                             319 883

7             Mexico                                               255 138

8             Iran                                                     225 624

9             Turkey                                                187 609

10           Indonesia                                          180 347


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13 responses to “Hill East Residents Vent About Open Air Drug Market & Gunfight at 17th and Independence

  1. corin

    A drive-through alley?! Really? Half of that ‘alley’ is actually a private lot! And there are already enough problems with drug use there. We certainly don’t need more! Let’s focus on fixing the problem, not moving it 2 blocks!!

  2. Hollowsquare

    Maybe if the MPD officers in the area spent LESS TIME hanging out at The Cupboard and MORE TIME doing their damned jobs this stuff wouldn’t happen.

    • 1500 E.Cap..

      That store closes at around 9pm. The shooting was at… 2am I believe? I don’t see the correlation.

  3. Hollowsquare

    @corin And that’s all they’ve done..moved it. Just drive past 15th & A NE on 15th St…

  4. Hill Res

    Where the heck is the Mayor? You all voted for her right? She is the one responsible for fixing this….or is she busy doing other things than protecting the residents of the city? Allen and the others….pretty much just talking heads IMO. Chief has a crappy job sending her folks out the door each day, with one or two hands tied behind their back. Criminals fear nothing out there…not the threat of being caught and punished…or of being hurt (because the citizens of this city are lambs with no recourse than to be preyed upon…my slight push for responsible-CCW in this city).

  5. ibc

    To Lanier’s larger point, nothing illustrates more clearly that the criminal justice system is broken than the incarceration rate for the United States compared with other countries. According to the BBC half of the world’s prison population of about nine million is held in the US, China or Russia.

    That wasn’t Lanier’s point at all. And it’s also irrelevent. The problem in the US *nationally* is that too many non-violent offenders are being put in prison for long terms. The problem in DC *locally* is that no one is being put in jail. Largely due to the misapprehension that not jailing people committing violent acts in DC is going to somehow make up for the high incarceration rates nationally. It’s BS.

    • Anon

      If 35 of the 50 worst repeat violent offenders are allowed to “serve their sentences in the community” aka out on the street preying on the community which is how they’ve accumulated 857 arrests, there’s your problem. Duh!
      MPD can keep collecting illegal firearms. If the hoodlums get arrested, they get released back on the street and get new illegal firearms. Why even bother to have gun laws? The only people who follow them are law-abiding citizens who don’t use them to commit crimes.

      Unless and until repeat violent offenders are locked up, the community will not be safe. Put in jail and kept there for the common good.

  6. Hollowsquare

    @Hill Res – Mayor Bowser is too busy chasing grand visions of transforming DC from a crime-ridden city into a crime-ridden state. She’s you know, more of an idea person…

  7. Longtime resident

    Responsibility falls on BOTH the Mayor and partly the Council. CM Allen lives a few blocks away from this corner, so he is well aware. Unfortunately, after the violence in Wards 7 & 8, Ward 6 seems to be the bullseye in the recent crime wave. And Allen has no sway on the Council yet and really doesn’t want to upset the Democratic apple cart with legislation that may seem less progressive (aka via a crime crackdown). We just have to hold on to our hats and ride this out. We have a crisis in leadership. Benign neglect.

  8. Monday Night Frotteur

    The police sound like they were doing their job hanging out with the loiterers. It definitely helps them achieve the goals of a police department to gain the trust and information. The problem sounds like it lies mostly with the way the local courts “punish” juvenile offenders.

  9. Matt

    Not to distract from the point, but every handgun is semi-automatic (or is a revolver, which has the same capability for repeated fire though with fewer bullets and not as easy to reload)…

  10. area_resident

    Would a mounted police camera filming/surveilling the intersection help dissuade this activity? Folks would be legally allowed to loiter/sell drugs on the corner, but they’d be filmed doing it.

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